Saturday

Reality is not Real

Consider the possibilities of dark matter. Strange how something could be invisible and yet have a gravitational pull - or is it?

Remember the debate on Light being either an energy beam or a particle?

Now there's a new debate - whether matter is actually solid, or simply opposite energies reflecting light and opposing other energies - such as our own fingers, creating the feeling of sensation.

Science is delving into molecular make-up in a new way. Their theory is - if something can become nothing, then nothing can become something - or is that something never anything to begin with?

Maybe all of these somethings are actually just clusters of energy.

And all of the 'nothings' (like Spirits, God(s), and thoughts) are errant waves of these clusters.

Think about it - our brain is one big cluster of energy, and controls everything we see, do, and know. Our brain is literally tricking our bodies into perceiving solidity. Deja Vu is just a lapse in our left-brain to right-brain communications - a delay that causes us to experience it again. Another theory on Deja Vu relates to the mammilian brain perceiving it before it sends the information to our 'over brain' - the part that actually has the left and right hemispheres.

Whichever causes Deja Vu, these studies show us just how powerful our brain is in tricking us. But what the brain doesn't know, is that we can trick our brain too. The Law of Belief states that whatever we believe with conviction of emotion will become our reality. You may think this strange, but it truly is not that far-fetched. If our brain is made of energy, and the world is made of energy - couldn't we therefore spread the energy within our brain to the world?

In "What the BLEEP do we know?" they proove this theory. In a study shown in that movie, a thought can be implanted on water, and consistently change the 'picture' of the water depending on the thought.

Before Copernicus, we KNEW the Earth was the center of our universe. Before Columbus or Cortez, we KNEW there was only a finite amount of land. Before Voyager 2 we KNEW there were 8 planets. How is this any different?

Note: After online searching, no other credits can be found aside from "What the BLEEP to we know?" Had I found the studies, I would have credited them - so this article was taken from memory.

29 comments:

Will said...

Matter is energy that is so tighly compacted that we "perceive" it as solid...

Trisha said...

I knew you'd be 'in' on this one too =) Wish I could find my copy of that movie! Otherwise I'd be able to credit most of those studies I've noted... unfortunately I can't even remember the name of the Water guy...

pseudolus said...

Your understanding of science is as poor as your ability to articulate your thoughts. Lordy, what a mish-mash of "new age" and midieval thinking. Try not to weigh in on subjects you don't understand.

And before you go off on my not understanding your subjects, I have immersed myself in all manner of occult topics for many decades and decided that such loose thinking was not productive nor any true reflection of reality.

Trisha said...

How am I wrong? Instead of 'bashing' me why not try and constructively critisize or even correct me? Otherwise, consider yourself disregarded.

I do not take into consideration other views without evidence.

And to be honest, who DOES understand these things? Numerous PhD's in quantum physics made a video entitled, "What the BLEEP to we know" - if they don't even know, then who does?

All forms of science are still a practice. Even and especially esoteric ones.

If I have confused you - sorry. Count yourself against the 25 others that have understood me. That's the 17 online readers plus 8 offline readers.

Counter-productive? Really? So you say Capernicus shouldn't have thought about the makeup of our universe? If it hadn't been for him, we probably never would have sent out Voyager 2 and discovered that the Sumerians were right about Neptune and Uranus. Oh wait, the Sumerians shouldn't have documented the Universe either.

If thought is pointless, then so is life.

Thanks for your view though. For what it's worth.

Anonymous said...

all that from a high school drop out, ouch GED

Hiddenson said...

Interesting read, especially the brain excerpt, about reality, our perception of it, and our own lies about it for not fully willing to face it. We are certainly misled by our senses and emotions.

Somehow related, is the debate I'm conducting on my own blog, about Real Life vs Virtual Life, or how these two perceptions are just that, concepts. If you're interested, I'd be happy to hear your opinion here.

Trisha said...

Wonderful that you have found me, Hiddenson =) Counting you as #18... By the way, I did leave a small comment on yours. A bit time restrained for the moment, but I will come back in time. Certainly an interesting blog of yours.

Trisha said...

...and Anonymous, High School and education as a whole today is doing America's society absolutely no good whatsoever. Most High School graduates are all but illiterate.

Frankly, I'm surprised most them can spell their own name.

Anonymous said...

you must have a great job and be loaded due to your massive intelligence. after all there must be such wonderful fruits of your great skills and insightfulness

Trisha said...

Was DaVinci rich? Nope.

This may be yet another case of being discovered after one's death.

What are you doing to change the world for the better?

Anonymous said...

you need serious mental treatment. i guess it helps to be self deluded on so many levels to counteract the own horrible failure you are

Trisha said...

Well, I'd say that certainly answers my question.

Nothing.

Instead, you're working to bring down the world to an even less auspicious state.

My failure has yet to be ascertained. One only fails once one stops trying. Apparently, you are indeed the failure, and the one with delusions. The only readers here who continuously degrade this blog are doing so based on a personal vendetta - not the actual facts on hand. Indeed, those who have no personal vendetta, with the exception of one person who has only posted once, have done nothing but praise and contribute.

Perhaps one should open one's eyes to their own mental illnesses. Your self-sabotaging nature is being projected upon the rest of the world as you perceive it. Had you seeked counseling and actually listened to yourself as opposed to tricking the pshychologist into releasing you so that you could have me back, you would probably resemble a normal person right now.

Instead, you still live beneath the shelter of your parents, still too lazy and afraid to go out on your own.

Do us all a favor. Instead of hiding behind an anonymous stance and stating things without evidence, take a look at yourself, and take responsibility for your actions.

Anonymous said...

wishing to change the world so to speak in light of ones own perspective is a fine ideal and laughable at the same time. you want so bad for everyone to tell you how wise you are and beg for the insight of your advice. someone as you with a horrible track record and obvious in the gutter life and whatever type of job you work shows how blind and delisional.

i would adore to see you in a job interview, or any situation where the other individual knew about topics, while you bs your way through.

the comic value of you believing you are to be compaired in any fashion to DaVinci is great.

you can change the world, but you cant get your life out of the gutter

Trisha said...

LOL! OMGs I can't believe you're still wasting your time on this.

Have I begged for anyone to tell me I'm wise? I laugh at the concept. I'm just getting my ideas out there so that others can perhaps read them. And how am I BSing when I'm backing everything that I've stated? If I cannot defend the notion, and somebody else can back their opposing view, then I concede to have been proven wrong. Nobody knows everything, and I certainly do not claim to be one of the contrary.

I did not compare myself to DaVinci, I only provided an example where one's ideas are not always immediately recognized for their worth.

My life in the gutter? Oh well. Then I've given myself up for the greater good. A small sacrifice.

Before you go on thinking I believe myself to be the one true answer, allow me to quote, of all people, myself:

"My point is, you're not the greatest thing in this world. Nothing is. There is no end-all, no one true answer to anything."

j_in _J said...

dear anonymous,
you seem to have no individuality. theres nothing outstanding about your comments. i find you completely unremarkable.

j_in _J said...

>> people
help me out here. is this guy a fruit or what? dont be shy, you came here hoping to find something why not let us know how you feel about this anonymous character smogging up this blog...all i can say is "high school2 thats what he is. >>anonymous. if youve got something to say say it then leave.

pseudolus said...

"My point is, you're not the greatest thing in this world. Nothing is. There is no end-all, no one true answer to anything."

The Law of Belief states that whatever we believe with conviction of emotion will become our reality. You may think this strange, but it truly is not that far-fetched.

Trisha, I ask you to swing your hand and arm at the side of your head without stopping it. Did your hand hit your head or did it pass through? There is a 'true' answer for you, undeniable in its TRUTH. You can't pass your hand through any other material thing no matter how hard you believe otherwise. You admit as much in your post above. So, there are no real truths out there? Stop eating and live the 'Breatharian' lifestyle. I guarantee you will starve to death. That is TRUTH. Spitting out such blatant piffle as the statement above may sound all "COSMIC" and mystical, but it is just crapola. There are real truths out there. You cannot make your "reality" overcome REALITY. Go sleep outside this winter in a bikini. If you live a cold enough climate, I guarantee you will die of exposure. Is that enough reality for you?

trisha, out down the asrology books, and pick up some science books. You obviously are an intelligent person and could actually absorb some truth if it is explained clearly enough. Also, a good basic English writing course could help you articulate your thoughts better. The original post above is such a loose tangle of words and thoughts it isn't even wrong, it's just unclear and too hard to make sense of.

For example 'energy beam' when you should say 'wave'. And where did you get the idea that we didn't know about the outer planets until we sent Voyager out to probe the solar system? We have known about them for decades before that.

Honestly, I spent several decades studying up on various occult disciplines. Nobody wanted to be able to read minds, bend spoons, walk through walls, levitate etc etc, than I did. But all the stories of adepts and mystics doing such things all turned out to be lies and tall tales.

If you truly want to be able to control reality, read up on science, logic and philosophy and you will learn some real skills for manipulating the world. It's called 'technology' and it really works.

All the truly amazing things we do in this world is based upon it. Not talking to the dead, not astrology, not palmistry not the myriad other ways people have devised to fool themselves or others.

Oh, if you ever do actually bend REALITY to your occult willpower or knowledge, there is a miilion dollars waiting for you the James Randi Education Foundation. You devise the test not them. You call all the shots to prove your skill and you can walk away a millionaire. Or give the money to your favorite charity if you are unwilling to taint yourself with riches.

pseudolus said...

darn it, blogger ate that post and spit out gibberish. Let's try again.
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"My point is, you're not the greatest thing in this world. Nothing is. There is no end-all, no one true answer to anything."

The Law of Belief states that whatever we believe with conviction of emotion will become our reality. You may think this strange, but it truly is not that far-fetched.

Trisha, I ask you to swing your hand and arm at the side of your head without stopping it. Did your hand hit your head or did it pass through? There is a 'true' answer for you, undeniable in its TRUTH. You can't pass your hand through any other material thing no matter how hard you believe otherwise. You admit as much in your post above. So, there are no real truths out there? Stop eating and live the 'Breatharian' lifestyle. I guarantee you will starve to death. That is TRUTH. Spitting out such blatant piffle as the statement above may sound all "COSMIC" and mystical, but it is just crapola. There are real truths out there. You cannot make your "reality" overcome REALITY. Go sleep outside this winter in a bikini. If you live a cold enough climate, I guarantee you will die of exposure. Is that enough reality for you?

Trisha, put down the astrology books, and pick up some science books. You obviously are an intelligent person and could actually absorb some truth if it is explained clearly enough. Also, a good basic English writing course could help you articulate your thoughts better. The original post above is such a loose tangle of words and thoughts it isn't even wrong, it's just unclear and too hard to make sense of.

For example 'energy beam' when you should say 'wave'. And where did you get the idea that we didn't know about the outer planets until we sent Voyager out to probe the solar system? We have known about them for decades before that.

Honestly, I spent several decades studying up on various occult disciplines. Nobody wanted to be able to read minds, bend spoons, walk through walls, levitate etc etc, than I did. But all the stories of adepts and mystics doing such things all turned out to be lies and tall tales.

If you truly want to be able to control reality, read up on science, logic and philosophy and you will learn some real skills for manipulating the world. It's called 'technology' and it really works.

All the truly amazing things we do in this world is based upon it. Not talking to the dead, not astrology, not palmistry not the myriad other ways people have devised to fool themselves or others.

Oh, if you ever do actually bend REALITY to your occult willpower or knowledge, there is a miilion dollars waiting for you the James Randi Education Foundation. You devise the test not them. You call all the shots to prove your skill and you can walk away a millionaire. Or give the money to your favorite charity if you are unwilling to taint yourself with riches.

Anonymous said...

She does have magic powers, it's called hot linking graphics, ouch I told your secret!

Trisha said...

...Pluto was undiscovered until that expedition, at least by modern science. The Sumerians knew of it 6,000 years ago, but their texts were largely ignored. They did not know anything of 'technology' as it stands today, yet their discoveries number significantly more than that. Note we did not know the makeup of Neptune or Uranus, while the Sumerians detailed it.

I do appreciate your thoughts, and thank you for coming back.

Currently I am reading everything that I can on the subject, and as ideas surface, I write them here. My concept lies in the avant-garde, in both subject and writing form.

You have proven your point, regarding those who hold even a small doubt will remain attached to the material. By no means am I a master to the contrary. Very few people have been able to attain any semblance of the abilities I speak of, most of them applying it to martial arts, but the evidence is still there. Also, it is true that the tight clusters of energy we perceive as solid cannot be passed through. The energy field is simply too strong. Much like two similarly polarized magnets cannot be placed together.

Indeed, we must eat and clothe ourselves in harsh conditions - however this is only due to the flighty nature of energy. If an item is not maintained and fed more energy, it will fade from existance.

My point merely is that all things are made of energy. This fact can be found in any quantum physics manual.

pseudolus said...

...Pluto was undiscovered until that expedition, at least by modern science. The Sumerians knew of it 6,000 years ago, but their texts were largely ignored. They did not know anything of 'technology' as it stands today, yet their discoveries number significantly more than that. Note we did not know the makeup of Neptune or Uranus, while the Sumerians detailed it.

ummm, no. You sound like you have swallowed Von Daniken's nonsense whole. Pluto was discovered decades before Voyager 1 & II:
CLICK HERE

Please give me links to Sumerian's "detailed knowledge" of the outer planets. And don't throw up the Dogon's knowledge of Sirius's companion star as a distraction. That was untrue as well. Been there, done that. Like I said I've
been studying this stuff for 30+ years. All either outright lies or distortions introduced in the telling of the tales, like a game of 'operator'.

If you want to say everything is made of energy" then say "everything is made of energy". That's what I mean about being able to express yourself properly in English.

Please, martial arts masters able to subvert the laws of physics? If that is possible then let them prove it. Again and angain it has been demonstrated that Trancendental Meditators cannot levitate. Qi Gong masters cannot channel 'chi' to affect the world. The most recent 'proof' was the 'master' in China who was mowed down while trying to stop a train.
Or the Thailand Snake 'master' who was killed by a cobra bite received during a demonstration.

Very few people have been able to attain any semblance of the abilities I speak of, most of them applying it to martial arts, but the evidence is still there.

What evidence? It's all hearsay, tall tales and wishful thinking. Go on wishing what you will, your disappointment will be similar to mine when I learned the truth. We never learn from other's mistakes. I'm afraid I have wasted enough time trying to enlighten you.
You are young, yet. Have fun with your naivete. Hopefully you won't succumb to some illness trying to heal yourself through martial arts or magnetic therapy. Nor be bilked out of your meager fortune by some flim-flam artist promising you training in occult practices.

I fear I am on an impossible mission trying to hold off the coming of a new 'dark age' brought about by this administration and its theofascist anti-science cohorts on the one hand and bumbling 'new age' mumbo-jumbo preachers on the other.

Farewell, Grasshopper.

Anonymous said...

pseudolus that was great

Trisha said...

Zecharia Sitchin's Genesis Revisited - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380761599/102-2220870-2197723?v=glance

He covers the discoveries of the Sumerians in his novels.

I stand corrected on Pluto, but the Sumerians still knew about not only all of the planets, but their makeup, 6,000 years ago.

This blog is an attempt to open the mind of the general public, to encourage invention and creativity, to right the wrongs of today's society, to educate on societal plagues, to enlighten and broaden horizons. To encourage family values, creative play, and deep thought.

Hence, this debate, is exactly what I am going for. I've gotten you to think again.

This is my only goal.

Thank you so much for contributing. You have proven your point, whilst I have no further evidence. Congratulations =) I hope to see your side of the fence in the future, and frequently. Your point of view is definitely one worth defending. Thanks!

pseudolus said...

OK, I caved in and had to return. And I found what I suspected I would. You refer to Sitchin as your source? When I derided your ideas as being based on reading too much Von Daniken, I failed in not mentioning Sitchin and Velikovsky, as well.

Aliens? Aliens populating the Earth in pre-history? What's next? The fraud of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology?

OK, it's fun to read these guys. FSM knows I had fun reading them many years ago. They were exciting and it felt like I was being given an inside look into 'secret' knowledge that was being 'suppressed' by 'the authorities'.

But eventually it became clear that I had to face the real world and real scholasticism. No one of any repute takes these guys seriously. They are self-deluded (Velikovsky/Sitchin) or deluding others intentionally (Von Daniken/Hubbard). They have all been refuted over and over again. Their 'groundbreaking' discoveries and theories have fallen by the wayside (or taken up by flighty Hollywood stars in search of answers). They survive today only because there is always a new generation coming along without a clue. Blank slates to be inscribed with unexamined lies. Any time spent in a Google search can turn up papers and books tearing up these folks' sloppy methodology and wild leaps of logic (or intentional fabulations).

I don't mind stirring up the mud to get a good discussion going, but there are topics that just have to be laid to rest after a while.

Even such a sober thinker as Isaac Asimov was taken in by Temple's Dogon story, briefly, until research turned up the holes in Temple's work. ref: Dogon & Sirius

I suggest you spend some time browsing that website. There is enough mystery and wonder in the world without succumbing to outrageous frauds or cranks. You just need to cultivate the tools to sort out the real from the unreal. I guess that takes time (it did for me) and you are young yet and have that time, FSM willing.

And I don't miss that claptrap at all. I haven't turned into some grouchy ogre, cynical at the world. I laugh and I marvel at the world around me at great length. But I spend my time these days looking at the real world and not some other people's fantasies or flim-flam.

That is REAL POWER. The power to not be sucked in by delicious sounding tales of occult knowledge and offers of power if I only 'believe' sufficiently.

Have your fun. Stir it up. Debate and chew these stories over, with any luck you will come to see the truth.

While I ridculed you with a challenge to sleep outdoors int he winter in a bikini, I also have to acknowledge human physiology is capable of a grat many seemingly wondrous things. Teh natives fo Tierra Del Fuego lived in arctic conditions with little or no clothing. But being bred and raised in such an environment is very different from 'acquiring' such abilty through esoteric arts and merely 'believing' you can do it through sheer force of will.

A 'Great Mage' like Alistair Crowley who wrote book after book about the power of WILL could not shake his addiction to alcohol. Many times we are really fooling ourselves, as some commentor stated above, but no amount of 'belief' will alter physical reality.

I really don't mean to slap you down if you are a sincere seeker of truth. I just feel I can't let folks just spin talk without challenging their assumptions, especially when it comes to the occult or new age myths. OK, I've run on long enough. To quote a current film "Good night and good luck."

Trisha said...

Thank you so much for double-checking my references. I would actually greatly appreciate it if you would continue this. You've been a very refreshing guest, on-topic and concise.

You've made me think, and as you can perhaps already derive, there is nothing I enjoy more.

I've certainly taken your suggestions to heart, and I will make it a point to read up on my authors - at the very least, it will eliminate clutter in my bookshelves.

Anonymous said...

it's amazing no one can go on live TV and speak backwards in a language they have no prior knowledge of or call fire down from heaven.

"I've gone beyond the truth, it's just another lie."

too many sides to the same story, but who knows when anyone will get the facts if ever right. facts have been contested on the most simpliest of matters.

Anything remotely close to the spiritual condition/experience of humanity is the same as arguing who would win in a fight Superman or Santa.

Subjective "truth" can never be proven. Too much of what we believe to be solid truth is actually subjective.

By the way Pseudolus is all right by me - Trisha, you are a totally different story. You're facts seem to be based on the latest Google search or what documentary was on cable this week.

Trisha said...

Nicely put, however I think you might have missed a few of the things I've said.

I don't have cable television.

Most times I end up searching on Google because I can't remember a scientist's name in order to credit them. I know the study, I know when it was, I just can't remember the guy's name. Obviously since I cannot find the author or mind behind it, most cases I cannot 'read up' on my sources. Although not entirely new to the occult, I do not have the breadth of pseudolus.

He's been down more roads than I, so his footsteps are greatly appreciated, moreso now that he has a legitamate 'backup singer' so to speak.

Your rhetoric is interesting. I'd like to know who you are... and perhaps future discussion.

pseudolus said...

Trisha, I must say I'm surprised. Most people I confront run screaming from the debate. there's hope for you yet. ;-)

I have to say I looked up your movie on IMDB.com and it is everything I expected. I'll be renting it this weekend so I can properly deconstruct it, but at first glance it is a load of 'new age' piffle. Just looking at the cast set my skeptical radar off. A few names jumped out at me; Ramtha & J.Z.Knight are 'new age' gurus who have started their own religions laced with physics buzzwords like 'quantum' & 'holographic'. If I recall they are both 'channelers' (the newer word for medium) who commune with unseen persons of eternal wisdom (yawn).

John Hagelin was a candidate for President who ran on the Natural Law ticket. He's a bit of a crank, a 'scientific-libertarian', if I recall. His party is very idealistic with no practical handle on issues, but some very nice utopian ideas. There are worse characters out there and worse ideologies. I could google him up for clarification, but really you should do so.

And then there is Fred Alan Wolf, a real physicist but of the 'new physics' school, melding quantum physics/field theories/holographics and such and wild speculation. He was quite enjoyable to read, but as far as I can tell, not taken too seriously by his peers. He likes to push the envelope, as they say. You can't call him an outright fraud, but he is on the fringes and should not be accepted as representing the consensus in his field. Nothing wrong with that, science is the pursuit of knowledge from the edges of the known. But he gets used by the real fakers all the time to justify totally wacky ideas.

Swing by my webpage sometime to get a feel for where I am coming from. It is pretty new, but I'm slowly building it up. Meanwhile I'll be sure to poke around here some more and see if I can throw a few more 'sabots' into the works.

pseudolus said...

I know this thread is long dead, but I promised to review the movie and I finally got around to it.

Yes, the movie is intriguing and I hope it makes some people think about physics and psychology. But there is a ton of bull crap mixed in with a soupcon of truth. There was no new information there for me. I have read about all this stuff 20 and more years ago when it was first coming out. And, I too, was floored by some of the revelations at the time. Finally it is trickling down into the mainstream and a lot more people are going to be exposed to this stuff. I think that is good, but people also have to go on to do some research into the assertions made in this film, and I am afraid too many folks won't be bothered to.

That is what I did. I read more and more on these topics, plus I read the refutations. I learned logic and semantics and began to analyze what I had read. I came to the conclusion, as you know, that a lot of it is just wishful thinking or outright lies.

For example, do you really believe that the pre-Colubian natives of the Carribean could not see Columbus's ships? Because they had never seen such a thing before, the ships were invisible? Have you never been shown something you have never seen before and you couldn't see it? I'm not talking optical illusions and perception tricks. the first time you saw an iPod was it invisible to you? "Oh, you say, "But that is not as extraodinary to me as a ship was to these people." Nonsense! These people had boats! And a ship is just a bigger boat.

So, these ships were actually invisible to these people until a shaman told them about them? And he only saw them because of the waves in the water they made? Were these waves made by the ships while they were still approaching shore days away yet? No such waves would be visible either, if that is the case, as they would have attenuated so much as to be swamped by the local waves. Were the waves made by the boats as they sat at anchor for days, rather? You honestly believe that the people could not see ships at anchor a hundred yards off shore simply because they had never seen a ship before? They couldn't see sailors walking around or climbing through the rigging? Surely they had seen men before. That is pure assertion of a tale and I would like to see the source of this information.

If people could walk on water through sheer force of will, it would be done every day. there is no shortage of people with strong wills. By the claims of the very people cited in this film we don't see and do things because of sheer force of will to not believe!! How much harder is it to believe you can walk on water through will power than it is to smoke cigarettes and deny you are going to get cancer? If people don't believe they are going to get cancer, why do we have so many cases of it? Hardly anyone believes they will. And how do you explain animal cancers?

And as for the fellow's photographs of water trasformed by taping words to bottles overnight. I'd like to see his procedures. Looked like pictures of snowflakes to me. Can he always get the same crystal structure everytime he uses the same word? How did he take pictures of water molecules? Did he use an elctron micropscope? Or did he use a regular camera and maybe 'froze' the water in order to get his pictures? Actually, the guy's pictures have been debunked already. You can look him up on the net and see what that is all about.

And what about all the stuff about reality being only in your mind? So, there is nothing 'real' out there beyond your eyes and hands? What? When you are dead the world is going to vanish? Sorry, people die all the time and reality still exists. Unless you are going to assert that all those other people around you aren't real and only you are. That way leads to solipsism and madness.

So read up on your physics, logic, philosophy to balance out the esoteric matters. Go ahead and explore the occult but with a skeptical eye. And ask yourself this question along the way: Is it easier to think that soemone may be lieing and making stuff up, for one reasdon or another, or that some fantastic assertion is true? Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, bald assertions just don't cut it.

If you need to explore some esoteric but practical stuff, I suggest Zen. It is not so much a religion as it is a practical psychology and philosophy. Zen masters understand the relationship between reality and the mind. "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is." Chew on that one for a while.

Good luck in your journies.